it came w/ the original piston few years ago but Im looking to upgrade to the stronger NP2? can anyone please please provide a link to a full power nitro piston for my trail np if this is not the correct one. Shaft ~108 x 8mm. Btw I'd get this too; Piston Seal, Fits Walther Falcon..., it's not for the XL but the oem XL seal sux and this is way better and worth up to 10% more power, less scope stress and slightly quieter.. Thank you for all the great feed back! You can probably figure it out by looking at it but I have pix with dimensions if you want; chevota at hotmail. Product #175-8862-4. So you really need to open it up to see what parts it has, then decide how to deal with it. Here's some specs for the springs: Yes it is. Super fast service from airgun Megastore. weihrauch 30mm air rifle piston seal $ 22.99. currently on sale. stephen so you used this piston and it upgraded your gun ?? Shaft ~108 x 8mm. You may already have this spring, so first thing is to take it apart and find out how they reduced power... We do not have that gas piston. There are parts diagrams on Crosman's website. Used Input Shaft $500.00. I also tune the guns which tames them as well, and heavier pellets help too. I say max power because the full power Venom and XL do not generally make the power/speeds I mentioned, you have to take the gun apart and tinker, aka tune it. The system includes unique patent pending components that work in unison to direct the piston’s energy. I usually use 8.44gr which break 1000, and 10.5 is just under 900. It's shooting .22 cal. view more. (I started with a … Properly tuned you won't be able to tell it's not a nitro, except the cocking effort will be less. It's simple to operate, it puts out a good light. Crosman says "Nitro Piston" because it sounds cool, but in their parts list it has the correct names. That gun is an NP2 so you need part # NP214-012 which is available direct from Crosman. The XL uses a nitro unique to the XL, which can be ordered from Crosman but I doubt they ship outside the states. At least the hole version is super easy to fix. I got a great airgun at a great price, $40 less than anywhere else I could find the model I wanted. Message & Data Rates May Apply. I would like to knoe what the FPS are, As well as what the most powereful one that is compatable with what I hav, As Mark mentioned it's a Crosman direct part. That or you have a BT5 and simply want more power. The low power is BT5M22-00-1. Yes it will but you need to be sure you don't already have it. Note for everyone; this is for the B18/B19 Crosman or Benjamin, not the Trail XL or Trail NP2. Or maybe your spring has leaked, in that case you need to call Crosman and ask for part NP214-012 which is the oem full power NP2 spring. Hello. Is there any kind of Nitro piston conversion for the Stoeger x20s. I guess you'll have to take it apart first to see which special mod they did to it. Welcome to the new world of gas piston air rifles! I have the Benjamin Trail NP pistol. Second, the nitro piston produces much less recoil than the traditional spring gun. As long as the Phantoms part # doesn't end in with an "A" it'll fit. I'd also buy a new main seal # CRS5177-012. And be aware of the PAL needed, or be an outlaw, your choice ;). 4.5 out of 5 stars. That's the full power spring btw. Most people use a compressor, I do not. CROSMAN BENJAMIN NP2 GAS RAM PISTON SPRING NITRO 70KG NP214-012 AIR RIFLE GUN. You can verify by getting the parts .pdf here: http://tinyurl.com/Crosman-Parts The NP2 main seal is CRS5177-012 and imo everyone should get one. Mine is 940 but I tuned it. Jean. So as you can see the body is 10mm longer, but it may still fit with min mods? Nitro piston air rifles typically last twice as long as spring piston air rifles and can be purchased for a decent price without breaking the bank. PA puts a "CR" in front, I assume for Crosman, but the BT9M22... is what you want and hopefully the latest spring (ending in "A") will last longer before leaking. I can tell by feel but otherwise you just have to take it apart. See below email if you want info, Can this replace the coil spring in my fury2, I believe the Fury II was only coil spring, if so then this nitro spring can be installed w/o too much effort (imo), but how is too much to post here. Was wondering if the BT9M will work with a Crossman Fire nitro piston. I have a BT5M77-00-2 gas spring for a .177 which is realy weak, it can't even punch trough an empty plastic botle of soda. Other mods to reduce power are a hole in the piston or a longer piston. RWS Diabolo Basic .177 Cal, 7.0 Grains, Wadcutter, 300ct, H&N Baracuda Hunter, .22 Cal, 18.21 Grains, Hollowpoint, 200ct, JSB Match Diabolo Exact King .25 Cal, 25.39 Grains, Domed, 350ct, WE Competition Series 6mm Airsoft BBs, 0.25g, 4,000 Rds, Gamo .177 Cal, 8.2 Grains, Round Lead Balls, 250ct, H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme Pellets, .22 Cal, 18.52 Grains, Hollowpoint, 200ct, JSB Match Exact Jumbo Diabolo Pellets, .22 Cal, 15.89 Grains, Domed, 250ct. [email protected]. Jason: There's a "kit" sold by some place in CA but it's simply an oem full power piston and spring. Popular . Crosman .177 Fire Nitro Piston Powered Break Barrel Air Rifle (10) 3.8 out of 5 stars. What should I do now? Plus, it is the only brand that offers the ultra cool Muddy Girl camo pattern. Fyi the NP2 spring is ~6mm shorter so you have to shim it about that much or you will no doubt ruin the spring. Well, it may fit in there, and if it did it will make more power. Here they are: First, a nitro piston air gun is lighter than a spring air gun. Ok, then the answer is still yes so you have to decide if it's better/cheaper to buy from PA or a Canadian place like the Gravel Agency. The NP2 piston will not fit your gun, but even if it did I don't see the point. Kidding, but people usually prefer my way. My guess is your spring has leaked but if your breach fell out it'll do that too. Crosman has put a lot of effort (and money) into marketing the Benjamin Trail series which features Nitro Piston 2 Technology. I'm looking to upgrade to the high power nitro piston. It is a 495fps and I would like to upgrade the fire power as mutch as possible. Will this alone help get me more power or do i need to do other mods to it? $42.05. It was $7.77US last I checked a few yrs ago. It should, but I would recommend calling Crosman to confirm first just to make sure there aren't other parts needed. Nitro piston air rifles typically last twice as long as spring piston air rifles and can be purchased for a decent price without breaking the bank. The new Trail guns shoot 15% faster and deliver more energy with double the effective shooting range of the original. See my re: to the Fury II post. They vary from gun to gun depending on several factors, but 16-17 is typical for the guns this fits, meaning the Benjamin Titan, Trail, and similar. Copyright © 1999-2021 Pyramyd Air. thank you Where can I order it. If the part # for you gun does NOT end with an "A", then yes it'll fit, but it also what your gun came with so no gains. Not sure they'd fit but you can pull yours out and measure to see how far off they are from this one, then decide. No it will NOT fit the XL. Both springs are available from The Gravel Agency, but PA only sells the BT9. Shaft ~111 x 10mm. *Must be 18 years old. If so the NP2 spring is ~6mm shorter: 700 fps. PA is aware of this because I told them (Mathew Z, whoever that is), but they don't care. No, you need part # BT1500-00-2 which I believe is only available direct from Crosman. The gun is designed with a nitrogen-filled cylinder instead of using a coiled steel spring as the power plant. That information would have to come from Crosman. chevota at hotmail and I'll send 'em. My guess is that the nitro/gas pistons are somewhat more durable than the metal springs. chevota at hotmail if you want to discuss it, will this give my benjaman titan np 22 cal more power, It is the oem replacement spring for a Titan and most other Crosman/Benj nitros, so no. Body ~150mm x 18.12mm. It is the correct fit but it may be stronger than the one you have. monster power, very accurate,best long range ive had. Much easier and cheaper imo to just tune your existing gun and maybe buy a Vorket spring for it. It is possible your gun also has a weaker spring, but the piston length is more important. ( item number REM-RNP77) Tks for your time ! The NP214-012 is stronger than this spring and much cheaper at ~$17CA from a place like the Gravel Agency. – Jock Elliott. Can you explain your question? Of course there's the whole legal thing which I assume you know about? I'm simply unwilling to buy any more of these springs to find out. $39.94. Basically the nitro has to be centered at each end, so look at how Crosman does that and improvise. Yes but I assume yours now has a coil spring? We do not work on Benjamin gas piston guns. Our e-mails are filled with new products, deals, sneak peeks, tips and tricks, contests and more - sign up today! http://tinyurl.com/PyramidWaltherSeal If you switch to .22 using a 14.3gr pellet it'll be 850 to over 900. Power will be less of course, but many consider it worth it, usually people who just plink and/or target shoot. Other than that you can tune it which will net some power, but odds are you won't notice w/o a crony. Yes you can plug the hole with JB, just make sure you do a good job b/c the pressure is very high in there. Either way I have detailed info in a tuning package if you want; chevota at hotmail and I'll send it, I have a Benjamin charger NP model 7-BCNP7SX sku 28478 14987 which is 495fps. The fps will vary drastically on the parts, condition of the gun, pellet weight and caliber, so it could anywhere from below 500 to over 1300. View on Vehicle Tell us where you'd like to shop. If the upgraded piston fits, You will get 750-800 FPS. bonjour,pouvez vous me donner la longueur du piston ouvert.merci beaucoup. Nitro Piston 2 is engineered to be more energy efficient without adding extra weight. I believe all the benjamin crosmans use the same Nitro piston except the NPXL it has a larger piston. I would say not a chance, or at least it won't drop in, but I suppose with some work there's a long shot it'll be possible. I own a Benjamin Trail NPXL 25cal. Don't discard the low power spring, it makes for a nice shooting gun once the other fixes are done. It can but you need to modify the gun a bit. Other than that I'd google or ask Crosman for authorized Crosman repair facilities near you. They are, imo, in a marketing war with each other. Is a compressor required? Btw the NP2 is based on your gun, so the NP2 is basically an RNP magnum due to extra stroke. If it has a nitro now it is probably the lower strength one, but probably a better spring and it will hit 700 in 22, maybe 900 in 177. So the key, imo, is to make the gun as powerful as possible, then use heavier pellets to bring the speed down, like 10.5gr. Shaft length is ~109 depending on how you measure. I think they only put holes in the 150 so I think you're good? If you want details on tuning, or some alternate power ideas; chevota at hotmail and I'll send. Depending on what they did it could cost nothing to fix it, just some work on your part. Many thanks. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. The piston will have a hole in it and/or be longer than 150mm, fix that and then decide if you want a stronger spring. The gas piston short stroke will not be adversely affected by temperature and … I believe you have the short stroke version so you'd need to buy a regular piston and whatever else makes it different. Yes! I'd stick with the coil spring myself, much easier and can be made as smooth and quiet as a nitro. Livrée avec lunette CENTER POINT 4X32 Calibre : 4.5 Canon : rayé basculant Crosse : bois ambidextre Energie : 19 joules Guidon : fibre optique Weird I know but too much to explain the details here. Yes; This gas piston fits The Benjamin Titan GP nitro piston air rifle. If you'd like to verify you can go here: As mentioned it's not possible in 22. It should bring it up to full power, but only if your piston is 150mm long. i would like to know what gas ram to put in her to bring her up to todays specs, or just to wake up the beast. serves the piston for a benjamin trail xl 1500 ?? Then compare to the PA part # which will be the same but with a "CR-" in front which they do on Crosman parts. Crosman will have replacement parts but we do not know of any more powerful replacements. My way requires no additional parts and is not hard to do. There's lots of regular coil springs for sale, various sizes/strengths so that's what I'd do. Spring # BT5M22-00-1 is the low power version and only available from Crosman as far as I know, and is $26. Hi,will this fit my Edgar Brothers model 60? A very small number of gas ram air pistols are also available. Many gas ram air rifles were previously available with spring/piston power and upgraded by the manufacturer to gas ram. See four posts down for more info. 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