Generally the push fans are high static pressure (usually 3-pin DC). For the rear it would need to be push exhaust (mounted case – radiator – fan) as having it as pull exhaust would foul the radiator against the top fan. maybe get better fans like the corsair sp120's either quiet or performance edition depending on your preference of noise level. Driving 3-4 fans off one MB header-> please check your MB product page/manual. Exhausting air form inside the case through a radiator may give you a few degrees higher CPU temp in games because GPU makes a lot of hot air. To say that anything that improves the performance of another component is a waste, not worth it, too expensive, etc is just bad advice. TONS of people have asked me about fan configurations for radiators and heatsinks. I was wondering if switching those rad fans to exhaust (pulling air through the radiator) would have a major impact on performance. Ascend to... the PC Master Race. OK. Neither relates to whether air is flowing into our out of your case. Let’s double check that at medium fan speeds. Also, if you will have 10 fans in the PC, that might be a complication : noise-wise and powering them all. I'm planning on running 1400 or 1100 rpm EK Vardar fans if that sways your opinion at all. Which do I recommend? There's really no correlation between push/pull and a passive radiator design. If it ever does make excessive noise, undo the water block, put it limp below the rad, then get a psu self tester and use it to jump the pc with only the aio connected, give it 5, then put it back together, it cycles the air out. I'm not planning a purely quiet build because the ambient temperature here can get pretty extreme (was 42C here the other day) and I don't want my PC to run at high temps.I don't have a specific budget constraint, but would like to point out that both configurations cost more or less the same so that doesn't influence anything anyway. Time to continue the story about radiators for liquid cooling. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. The two promotional strategy which is applied to get the product to the target market is Push and Pull Strategy. If anyone has a Coolermaster Masterliquid 240... Are you getting weird bubble sounds sometimes? My apologies. ... obviously testing out push, pull and push/pull … Will it drop your temps 10 degrees? The GTS didn't scale all that well until push/pull 2500+ RPM, and if you can fit push/pull, you can fit a larger radiator with one set of fans. I only get dust on the front intake and bottom filter where the psu is. Video explaining why push/pull isn't necessary and pretty much just makes your case louder. My initial post was not very detailed. Completely biased and unfair towards the push. We have shown how two of the most popular radiator sizes (120 and 140mm), … A thick rad in pull -I prefer pull for easy cleaning- is better, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the watercooling community, Press J to jump to the feed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyC3lZ5WFMk&feature=youtu.be&t=2m49s. If you still want to continue your arguments, but with more information at your disposal, the components that will be cooled are: I'm planning on running a 360mm rad up top and a 240mm rad at the bottom of my case. 6600K + 1060. That way i can keep all the sound dampening panels closed on my fractal design define r5. Welcome to the official subreddit of the PC Master Race. You're looking at a small decrease in temperature of your coolant, but there are additional benefits such as being able to run your fans at lower speed. But he didn't have a vent where it was pulling air from. Pushing or blowing against itself, or the natural flow of air through the engine compartment is … I'm pretty sure the temperatures would be totally acceptable with just push or pull config on the thick radiators and it will generate slightly less noise, so that is the option I will go for. In this subreddit, we celebrate and promote the ultimate gaming and working platform. However, my case Phanteks P400 might be too small for that. Press J to jump to the feed. Other than regurgitating the information you've read, have you actually ran tests of your own? You've also got to consider how much heat you're trying to cool. Note: by exhaust I do not mean putting them below the radiator and then pushing air from the bottom of the rad to the outside of the case (there is no room to do this). Because that's what the manual says :/. Seems worth it. A pusher fan sits in front of the radiator. 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. The pull is where it's mounted behind the radiator (usual position) and pulls air through the radiator and exhausts the air across the engine compartment. If you've got a massively OC'd i7 and dual 290xs, then you're looking at a completely different amount of heat. When the car is in motion, the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration. Testing push vs pull vs push/pull” net, “Push or pull air across radiator fins?” Tom’s Hardware, “Liquid cooling – should it pull the air INTO the case or push out?” Tech Radar, “PC cooling mythbusting with Corsair’s fan and PC case experts” Ars Technica, “Push vs pull cooling” Three good fans in push will be better than six mediocre fans in push/pull, and a single good rad with push will be better than a worse rad in push/pull. The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. For a standard pass radiator, your not gonna notice any difference in push or pull, no matter what rpm the fan is. The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. 3x Fans (45 Euro) + 1x 60mm Rad (97 Euro) = 142 Euro. I was wondering if that was a viable choice. I see you throwing this around constantly like it's gospel. I'd go with the thicker radiator in pull. There's no clear answer on this stuff, and the reason for the topic :). When you have a pull config you get dust on the opposite side of the radiator from the fans. Temperature-wise, I think it benefits. Share Followers 2 "Push" vs "Pull", radiator airflow configurations. 6700K + 1080Ti. Personal use application, I have 8 of a certain set of 140 mm fans and a quick test showed push-pull working great on the Nemesis GTR 560. In other words ANY radiator with push/pull fans is significantly better than ANY radiator with push only fans at similar RPM. In a car (not all, but most), the fan is located behind the radiator and PULLS air from the radiator. my case is rather small, it'd be hard to fit the radiator on top, the manual says it's recommended to do it that way. P.S. push-pull gives no real gains. From working on high performance cars for over a decade, I can say without a doubt that there is a benefit to a push/pull configuration. Not sure and no longer have the time to test either. I earned 2-3 degrees with push-pull on my Kraken, but it all depends if you really need this. The process of reversing them is easy and straight-forward. hey guys setting up my first watercooled rig just had a question. However, in this LTT video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38 They come to the conclusion of using pull configuration with the radiator at the top of the case. In the video he gets the best results from front mounted radiator and fans in a push configuration. The original article is comparing static pressure fans in push/pull with basically case fans in push. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. 30-40% on Push vs 85%+ on Push/Pull. Given that a static pressure fan runs around $20 a piece, it's up to you to determine if the relative cost versus the performance increase are worth it. Push vs Pull. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Using radiator as intake on the other hand hardly effects GPU temps in game. To clean it you have to take the fans off. Which airflow configuration do you most commonly use for any radiator? Thank you all for your replies. Electrical fans can either push air through the radiator or pull air through it. Ascend to a level that respects your eyes, your wallet, your mind, and your heart. Since most AIOs these days are between 25mm and 30mm, I would really just stick with the two best fans instead of trying to mount all four. Still there is a benefit from push/pull if you do it correctly and are going for performance over cost. Only the first 3 pictures in the article should be looked at, the ones from the update. Honestly though, the Shuttle setup works fine (I have a … So, if you want optimal overall temps, you should give your radiator fresh air. a thicker radiator would perform better. Mounted on the engine side of the radiator, a pull fan does not interfere with airflow at highway speeds. When the car is in motion, the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration. 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. Find out what fan configuration is best for cooling down your radiator. You don't know that at all. "Push" vs "Pull", radiator airflow configurations. Today we address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they affect different radiators and performance. Alternatively, I'd can go for a 360mm x 26mm thinner radiator with 6x fans. My Corsair H100i V2 is on the front and push configuration. While in Push strategy, the idea is to push the company’s product onto customers by making them aware of it, at the point of purchase.Pull strategy, relies on the notion, “to get the customers come to you”. Part 2 clarified things about radiator performance, how radiator performance is expressed and how do we read radiator performance charts. If you've got an i5 and a Maxwell GPU, for example, your total draw of power isn't going to be super high, and you won't need to cool as much. By EnergyEclipse March 31, 2017 in Custom Loop and Exotic Cooling. I'll build a small circuit to reverse the direction of the fan every few minutes for 20 seconds or so to clear the grass anyway. Martinm210 says: November 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm. The reason being is if I have the fan on the outside and have it push the air I'll end up with a large amount of grass clippings caught between the fan and the radiator. For the front you can go push or pull, whatever you think looks better. Linus makes a great point about pressurized fans. Would like a performance/quiet balance. Have at it. Push Pull is going to give you better performance, but cost and noise is a factor. Not likely. If you want quiet, go with less fans (less fans = less noise. One fan pulling air out of the case at the back. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. Preference should be given to a "pull" vs. a "push" fan. Hmm, I just used the front because of the Bitwit video and the 10-degree difference. And honestly, you get some pretty big diminishing returns when you do push/pull unless you are using a thick radiator (50mm +). What would you guys recommend? I'm not planning for pure performance (high rpm fans), because the PC is in my living room and the noise would drive me nuts. We have covered the basics about radiators in the Part 1 blog, and in Part 2 we even showed some charts. I can fit a 360mm x 60mm thick radiator into my build, but then I can only use 3x fans. I'm not going to reply to everyone individually, because this seems to have sparked a somewhat toxic debate amongst a few people. Every intake is covered with dust filter and positive airflow keeps dust out pretty effectively. I use push and pull config as an exhaust in the back with my h80i v2. Here's an episode that we've been asked to do for quite some time. A moderate number of fins (15-20) will scale better into 2000 RPM than a 32 FPI design. Even quiet fans like GTs or Vardars still make some noise. A pull set-up is Infact the most effective. The original article as some inconsistencies and is bias. Thank you. I went with it up top pulling out of case to keep it cleaner, no doubt in the front it'd be much dirtier. Since space is a concern in this case, I would recommend a larger radiator with three fans over a smaller radiator with six fans. Many Flex-a-lite electric fans can be reversed, so they can be used as either a pusher fan (an auxiliary fan mounted to the front of the radiator) or a puller fan (primary cooling fan, mounted behind the radiator). Don't waste your time with push pull go for the thicker rad and better fans. However, yeah. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Push, pull, or push/pull? Push means air goes fan -> radiator, pull means air goes radiator -> fan. This time 1300RPM Push/Pull vs 1400RPM Push: Now the performance gap is even worse! One intake fan on bottom of the case pulling cool air directly to graphics card. When a vehicle is moving, a pusher fan can obstruct airflow due to its positioning in front of the radiator. An interesting mod to a Shuttle would be to move the fan outside the radiator (sucking vs blowing) and see what effect it had. I went with front mounted radiator, fans pulling air through it to case. 6x Fans (90 Euro) + 1x 38mm Rad (64 Euro) = 154 Euro. The Kukri fans even have an RPM advantage here. I want to set the top radiator as intake and on pull. This way we can assess whether fan configuration makes much difference whether you are using a radiator or a more typical heatsink tower. We continue our guides that show differences in radiator performance depending on the speed of the fans, thickness, and FPI of radiators etc. Fans move air through the radiator assisting in cooling the engine. This should be the top post. A puller fan on the other hand sits right behind the radiator. Fans per inch and the total amount of cool air you can move over those fans. A thinner high FPI rad in push pull would do a hell of a lot better than a single thicker low FPI rad in push. 41 members have voted. Pics would be appreciated? Why? Reason being, there isn't enough flow resistance to effect air movement. Not sure if it makes a big difference. Anyway. When you have a push config, the dust ends up between the radiator and fan. with a smaller radiator thats 120mm then push pull is the way to go. much easier to clean, and the same performance. We hope to help you decide what kind of setup is right for you and to show the benefits of each. Pic: https://i.imgur.com/TPoN3ih.jpg (Front-radiator, pull config). Almost like there's air somewhere? I have a similar restriction in my case where the front can only be mounted one way but the top can be either. A pull configuration mean less dust on the radiator, and more air flowing pulled out threw it, that being pushed out threw it. From googling I can't find any solution except lowering the hoses. There's a number of factors in this calculation. Always use the right shroud with your fan. Which is it, what do you prefer and why? Almost no dust on radiator or fans on them. 6700K + 1080Ti. I was wondering what the delta would be in a push pull setup on a 240mm radiator using 4x 120 SP vs 2x 120 SP push fans and 2x 140 mm A pull fans. The two types of strategies differ, in the way consumers are approached. Push pull is also not an option for me. Cookies help us deliver our Services. All shrouded fans should be on the engine side of the radiator. The former has two active drivers that are motivated by direct amplification, while the latter has but one that is. Because dust-management is easier. The key is to find the correct ratio between the 'push' and 'pull' fans. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, 1700 3.9 / 3200 16-17-17-30 1T / 480 1370 MHz, i7-6700k | Maximus VIII Hero Alpha | Strix OC 1080 Ti | 32 DDR4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38. I have a PC 011 Dynamic case with Hardware Labs GTX for top and a L Series stealth … 6600K + 1060. 3. Push or pull makes no difference for the radiator. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the pcmasterrace community. 1. Now if the rad is like an DD extreme, or similiar, then I wouldn't be doing anything other then a push and pull … EDIT: Please only take into consideration the first three pictures. 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